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The A.D. 70 Doctrine Examined by Marc W, Gibson
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The A.D. 70 Doctrine Examined
INTRODUCTION 
One of the strangest, complex, and novel systems of
doctrine to be recently spread among our brethren
is the A.D. 70 doctrine. To put it mildly, it is a
revisionist view of prophecy. It is very popular
and highly regarded by many and condnues to be an
issue since its introduction. Our institutional
brethren have dealt with it extensively. We need
to be informed of this doctrine and determine its
truthfulness by a study of the word of God.

I) NAMES/TERMS GIVEN TO THIS DOCTRINE 
A) A.D. 70 Doctrine 
B) Realized Eschatology (doctrine of completed last things) 
C) Fulfilled Eschatology 
D) Covenant Eschatology 
E) Preterist
  (past) Fl Kingism    (The Max King Doctrine)

H) SOURCES FOR FURTHER STUDY (See sources for study on final
      page)

III) CENTRAL THESIS OF THE A.D. 70 DOCTRINE 
A) All prophecy is fulfilled as of A.D. 70 and there is 
~Q event referred to in Scripture that is yet future. 

1) The key period of time is the forty years between the cross 
of Christ and the fall of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 which is called 
the "eschaton." The significance of this period and its 
events are the soul of all Biblical study and God's 
redemptive scheme. 
2) Consider how central A.D. 70 is to their understanding of 
God's plan: "The fall of Judaism (and its far reaching 
consequences) is, therefore, a major subject of the Bible. 
The greater portion of prophecy found its fulfillment in that 
event, including also the types and shadows of the law. It 
was the coming of Christ in glory that closely followed his 
coming in suffering (1 Pet. 1:11), when all things written 
by the prophets were fulfilled (Luke 21:22; Acts 3:21). It 
corresponded to the perfection of the saints (1 Cor. 13:10) 
when they reached adulthood in Christ, receiving their 
adoption, redemption, and inheritance.
  The eternal kingdom was possessed (Heb. 12:28) and the new
  heaven and earth inherited (Mart. 5:5; Rev. 21:1,7)" (Max 
  King, The Spirit of Prophecy, p. 239).

IV) HERMENEUTICAL "KEY" 
A) "Until this issue of'method of interpretation' is settled, 
there can be no hope of a true and consistent interpretation 
and application of prophecy" (King, Ibid., p. 1). 
B) Two methods of interpretation: "literal"
  (material) and "spiritual" (non- material). 
  1) "It is the belief of the author that the spiritual 
  method of interpretation is firmly established in the 
  Bible, and that it is the basic and primary method of 
  interpretation involved in end-time prophecy" (King, Ibid., 
  p. 1-2) 2) Literal (material)
  relates to fleshly Israel; Spiritual (non-material) 
  relates to spiritual Israel (see King, Ibid, p.2) 
C) This hermeneutical approach is King's own invention; it 
is not based on established hermeneutical approaches nor is 
it offered with solid Biblical evidence. 
1) This is a perfect example of bringing a predetermined 
doctrine and hermeneutic to the Bible and forcing passages 
into it to create an impression of truthfulness.

V) BACKGROUND OF RISE OF A,D. 70 DOCTRINE 
A) A 17th century Jesuit friar, Luis de Alcazar, taught 
that the book of Revelation related exclusively to first 
century events (Stanley Paher, "A Critical Review," The 
Examiner, January 1993, p. 7).
  B) James S. Russell, a Congregational minister, wrote The
  Parousia (1878). 
  C) C.D. Beagle and son-in-law Max R. King
  first introduce this doctrine to our brethren at a Cuyahoga
  Falls, Ohio, preacher's meeting on April 22, 1971. Max King
  becomes leading proponent. 

  1) King publishes The Spirit of Prophecy (1971) 
  2) Debates Gus Nichols (July 17-20, 1973) 
  3) Written debate with Jim McGuiggan (1975) 
  4) Northeast Ohio Bible College established (1977) 
  5) Publishes The Cross and the Parousia of Christ (1987) 
  6) Current journals Search the Scriptures and Studies in 
  Bible Prophecy 
  D) See W. Terry Varner, Studies in Biblical Eschatolonv, 
  pp. 1-12, 32-77, for more background information.

VI) MAJOR TENETS OF THE A.D. 70 DOCTRINE 

A) Eschaton Period 
1) The forty year period between the cross and the 
destruction of Jerusalem. 
2) The is the period of time in which the covenants
  changed. The first Age (Mosaic) wasn't fulfilled until 70 A.D.
  and the Christian Age (the eternal age wasn't established until
  70 A.D. 
3) Christ was enthroned on Pentecost and kingdom
  e~dsted, but it was not completely established in glory and
  power (the "coming" of the kingdom) until 70 A.D. 
4) "The cross and the parousia of Christ are in biblical 
eschatology what alpha and omega are in the Greek alphabet 
-- the beginning and
  the end. Our primary aim in this volume, as indicated by the
  title, is to show that Christ's cross and parousia (i.e., His
  presence oi arrival commonly called the second coming) are the
  two foci of one complete, indivisible eschaton (end time) that
  pertain to the fulfillment of all redemptive history and
  prophecy within the closing period ('the last days') of the Old
  Testament aeon (age)" (Max King, The Cross and the Parousia of
  Christ, p. ix). 
  a) Note forty year period called end time, last days. 

B) Covenants (Age, World, Body) 
  1) Biblical dispensationalism has only two ages: Mosaic 
  (Jewish) and New Testament (Christian). 
  a) Mosaic = began at Sinai, ends in 70 A.D. 
  b) N.T. = began in 70 A.D., has no end 

C) Transitional
  period between cross and A.D. 70 (eschaton) when Old Covenant
  transformed into New Covenant.

     d) With the death of Christ, Mosaic Covenant began to vanish
       away until 70 A.D. It was "dying" to be "resurrected" as
       New Covenant. 
    e) The people of the eschaton (Jewish
       Christians) also "die" and are "resurrected" in the
       eternal age. Gentiles can share in this by dying to the
       Law in baptism. 
       2) Main passages: Gal. 4:21-31; 2 Cor.
       3:11; Heb. 8:13. 
       3) "It is these two worlds which constitute a major 
       portion of Bible teaching, and occupy a
       prominent place in prophecy. Failure to see these two
       worlds as they unfold in the scripture, and to make proper
       distinction of them, is a major source of error in the
       interpretation and application of scripture" (King, The
       Spirit of Prophecy, p. 33). 
       4) "Why have men concluded that the last days refer to 
       the gospel dispensation? Since
       there is some basis for every interpretation of scripture,
       it is interesting to observe the reasoning behind this
       application. It is based upon another erroneous concept,
       namely that the Jewish age came to a close on Pentecost
       day. This is assumed on the basis that Pentecost was the
       beginning of the Christian age. The error is in failing to
       see the overlapping period of these two ages or
       dispensations. Ishmael and Isaac co-ercisted in Abraham's
       house for a time before Ishmael was cast out. The Jewish
       age did not end untfl their city, temple, and state fell
       under Roman invasion in A.D. 66-73" (King, Ibid., pp.
       78-79). 
       1) Please note his misrepresentation of our
       position; the old covenant ended at the cross, not on
       Pentecost. 
       2) Note also that he accuses us of assumptions
       when his own interpretation is based on his assumed
       understanding of Gal. 4:21- 31. 
    C) The Kingdom 
    1) "The harmony and unity of all prophecy and scripture 
    bearing on the subject, can be maintained only in the 
    concept of a spiritual kingdom's being established or 
    perfected at the end of Judaism [A,D. 70, MWG]" 
    (King, Ibid., p. 154). 
    2) "The second stage of the resurrection takes place in
       conjunction with the Messianic reign of Christ, which we
       have placed in the period of time between His ascension
       and His parousia in the A.D. 70 consummation of the age.
       This means that Christ's reign was an age- ending reign, a
       transition to 'the age to come.'" "Christ's pre- parousia
       reign had a two-fold objective that was interrelated, and
       therefore accomplished concurrently He reigned to
       consummate the old aeon, which in turn was bound up with
       the coming in of the new aeon." "The concept of
       consummation at the cross rather than by means of the
       cross has led to a distortion of the real meaning and time
       frame of Christ's pre-parousia reign, and consequently the
       whole biblical scheme of Messianic eschatology in the
       establishment of the kingdom of God had been thrown into
       total disarray" (King, The Cross and Parousia of Christ.
       pp. 415, 417, 418). 
    3) "This means that during the eschaton the believers 
    lived in a tension of experienced and anticipated 
    eschatology; between 'the already' and
       'the not yet.' They were already in the kingdom of Christ
       (Col. 1:13), but still waiting for the coming of the
       kingdom of God (1 Cor. 15:24-28). But this waiting was not
       passive, as seen in Heb, 12:28 where the 'receiving of the
       kingdom' is presented as a present, active experience, as
       was also the case in their experiencing the powers of the
       age to come (6:5)" (King, Ibid., p. 32). 
     4) Some main passages: 2 Tim. 4:1,18; Heb. 12:28 

     D) The Second Coming

       1) "When the temple is destroyed, the world ends. The
       ending of the world is the coming of Christ. The coming of
       Christ is the fall of Jerusalem, or the destruction of the
       temple, etc....ALL would come to pass before that
       generation passed into history, and that included the
       coming of Christ, as well as the passing of heaven and
       earth" (King, The Spirit of Prophecy, p. 39). 
       2) "There is no scriptural basis for extending the 
       second coming of Christ beyond the fall of Judaism" 
       (Ibid., p. 105).
       "...the end of the Jewish world was the second coming of
       Christ" (p. 81). "Prophecy found its complete fulfrllment
       in the second coming of Christ, and now may be regarded as
       closed and consummated" (p. 65). 
       3) Emphasis on the imminence of His coming in N.T. 
       writings: Jas. 5:8; 1 Pet.
       4:17; Lk 21:28; 1 Pet 1:5; Lk 21:31 
       E) Resurrection 
       1) Not in any sense literal; must be understood 
       spiritually. 
       a) Physical bodies discarded forever at death. 
       b) At moment of death, an individual receives a 
       "spiritual" body in which he will dwell immediately 
       and eternally in heaven.
       This body is a new creation, so nothing is resurrected. 
       2) "The resurrection period is confined to the forty years
       between the cross and A.D. 70. All biblical teaching
       about'resurrection' is fulfilled during that period. No
       one was ever'resurrected' (in the full biblical sense)
       before or after A.D. 70" (Jim McGuiggan, A.D. 70
       Revisited, p. 17). 
       3) "Resurrection" refers to "covenant bodies." 
       a) A resurrection of the Old Covenant into the
       New Covenant. The New Covenant, therefore, is the Old
       Covenant resurrected. The New results from the death of
       the Old. 
       4) King, though, insists on "process"
       resurrection, a simultaneity of dying and rising,
       therefore, able to have both covenants around in some
       sense between the cross and A.D. 70. The people of this
       period (Jewish Christians) are the "firstfruits" of this
       resurrection. 
       5) Christ's individual body resurrected
       third day after death; Christ's spiritual "Body"
       resurrected in A.D. 70. 
       6) Passages interpreted in this way: 1 Cor. 15; 2 
       Cor. 5:1-8 
       a) King did argue once for
       possible two-fold meaning for these passages, but now
       rejects anything but spiritual meaning. 
       F)  End of the World/Judgment 
       1) "World" not literal, but spiritual in
       meaning: covenant, age, aeon, body (Jewish ends, Christian
       begins). 
       2) In New Testament, the second coming was
       imminent; therefore, the resurrection, judgment, and end
       of world had to imminent, too. 
       3) "Applying the last days to the Christian age is a 
       misapplication fostered by a misconception of such 
       terms as 'this world' and the 'world
       to come.' While Pentecost, in a sense, was the beginning
       of the Christion Esic] dispensation, yet the New Testament
       writers often spoke of it asa world or age to come,
       because the Jewish age had not ended at the time of their
       writings. (The right of primogeniture belonged to until he
       was cast out.) Therefore, statements such as 'this world'
       are interpreted as meaning this present material world
       rather that [sie] the Jewish age, and the 'world to come'
       is interpreted as meaning what follows the end of this
       present material world rather than the new heaven and
       earth, or Christian age that followed the end of the
       Jewish age" (King, The Spirit of Prophecy, p. 79). 

       G) Dating of New Testament Canon 

       1) All New Testament books
       must date to before A.D. 70, for that is the consummation
       of all prophecy demanded in their doctrine.

VII) ANALYSIS OF A.D. 70 DOCTRINE 
A) Biblical terms redefined 
1) "Like neo-orthodoxy, it uses many biblical terms, but nearly
  all of them are being used with changed defmitions" (Cecil
  Willis, "The Bill Reeves Articles," Truth Magazine, January 4,
  1973, p. 131). 
2) "If the foregoing theory seems to make no
  sense at all, it is because the novice does not understand how
  these common biblical terns have been redefined to fit the King
  theory. The 'second coming' does not denote a Literal return of
  Christ in the future, but a spiritual, invisible coming in A.D.
  70.'Resurrection' hasn't anything to do with the human body;
  rather, it refers to a resurrection of the Christian system
  from the persecution inflicted by the Jews between A.D. 30 and
  70. The 'judgment day' is not a time when all men will give
  account to God, it is the destruction of Judaism. And the 'end
  of the world' is not the passing of the earth; it supposedly is
  a reference to the dissolution of the Jewish world" (Wayne
  Jackson, The A.D. 70 Theory, pp. 
  3) Tunnel-vision problem =
  understanding a term the same way every time it is used
  irregardless of context and/or obvious difference in usage.
  Example: "World" = Jewish or Christian Age (never literal) in
  Lk. 20:35; Jn. 18:36; 2 Pet. 3:7,10. Where is the evidence to
  support this practice other than a presupposed doctrine? 
  4) "Many seem disposed to regard themselves as at liberty to make
  anything out of the Bible which their theology may demand or
  their whims require. And if, at any time, they find a passage
  that will not harmonize with that view, then the next thing is
  to find one or more words in the text used elsewhere in a
  figurative sense, and then demand that such be the Biblical
  dictionary on the meaning of that word, and hence that it must
  be the meaning in that place" (D.R. Dungan, Hermeneutics, p.
  217). 
  B) Pre-70 A.D. Dating of All New Testament Books? 
  1) Turns matter of opinion on date of Revelation and other books
  into an absolute necessity to know. 
  2) The problem is we cannot know for sure, and this casts a 
  dark cloud of great uncertainty over their doctrine. In fact, 
  the evidence is strong against their position, 
  3) "Let us get to our point about the AD 7O
  doctrine's pre-AD 70 dates for all NT books, Can this thesis be
  proven beyond a reasonable doubt? I, although I am a
  joint-believer in this view and would not ordinarily, in any
  other context, like to admit it so freely, do now most
  unhesitatingly say,'No!' and frankly confess my view here to be
  nothing bur an opinion. In other words, so long as any
  proponent of some NT books' post-AD 70 origin can present
  agruments [sic] which are as persuasive or even nearly so as
  those of the pre-AD 70 advocate, the latter has not gotten
  close to proving his view beyond a reasonable shadow of doubt
  ... In conclusion, to argue for the pre-AD 70 date of all NT
  books as a personally satisfying opinion is one thing, but to
  argue for such as an absolute necessity to uphold one's basic
  belief about the new covenant and the only true meaning of
  divine truth is, to say the least, quite another thing. In
  short, it is an opinion -- pure and simple!" (Almon Williams,
  "AD 70: The End?" The Doctrine of Last Things, [1986 Florida
  College Lectures], p. 215). 
  4) See also Stanley Paher, "A
  Critical Review: The 'A.D. 70 Doctrine' and the Dating of the
  The New Testament," The Examiner, January, 1993, pp. 7-12. 
  C) Lack of Evidence in Church Fathers 
  1) They are silent as to contention that all Bible 
  prophecy was fulfilled in A.D. 70. 
  2) In fact, much evidence can be found that they looked to a
  future fulfillment of the resurrection, the judgment, the
  second coming of Christ, and the destruction of the heavens and
  earth (see Williams, op. cit. pp. 216-219). 
  3) "...since there
  is not even a single extant voice among them in favor of
  realized eschatology, most people will find it very difficult
  to believe that this third generation could all be wrong about
  these matters, especially when some of them, for example,
  Polycarp, probably knew some of the apostles. That is, if the
  AD 70 doctrine were the NT doctrine, to believe that by AD 90
  to AD 150, a complete blackout of such had taken place is very
  difficult to believe, if not impossible" (Williams, op. cit. p.
  219). 
  4) See also Varner, Studies in Biblical Eschatolonv, pp.
  78-97, where he calls it a "missing link in Kingism." 

  D) Some Scriptural Objections 

  1) Acts 1:9-11; Rev. 1:7 -- Did not
  happen in AD. 70. 
  2) 2 Pet. 3:5-7, 10-11 -- Cannot spiritualize
  the meaning of "fire" because "water" is Literal. 
  3) 1 Cor. 15
  -- The problem dealt with (v.12); central thought (w.20- 23);
  further explanation of literal resurrection (vv.35ff).
  Resurrection cannot be changed into a spiritual meaning here
  since this would violate the whole purpose of Paul's argument,
  for he is arguing it on a literal basis. 
  4) Rom. 7:1-6 -- No
  "process"dying and resurrection of covenants here. Takes death
  of one to begin another. 
  5) Col. 2:13-15 -- Cross is focal
  point of removal of old covenant, not A.D. 70. Also Heb.
  9:16-17 
  6) 2 Cor. 3:14 -- Old covenant already done away before
  A.D. 70. 
  7) Heb. 8:13 -- Vanishing started in Jeremiah's day
  and completed at cross; Heb. 10:9 -- first had to end in order
  to start second. 
  8) Eph, 2:13-18 -- Christ brought full redemption and 
  unity to Jew and Gentile in His death, not in
  A.D. 70. 
  9) Gal. 4:21-31 -- Key is in v. 21 (desire out of
  place) and the point of the allegory is that they were not
  under the law but under promise. King contends that Ishmael had
  right of primogeniture until cast out (SP, pp. 29-30). This is
  entirely wrong. Isaac was always intended by God to be heir to
  the promise, not Ishmael. King twists allegory to fit his
  purposes.
  10) Acts 2:38 -- Remission of sins available; King denies,
        sayssins not taken away until second coming (A.D. 70)
        (SP, p. 63). 
  11) Isa 2:2 -- House of God fully
        established in "last days," not in "eternal days." 
  12) 1 Cor. 11:26 -- To observe Lord's Supper proclaiming His
        death "until He comes." Are we to stop observing it now?
        King quibbles (C&P, pp. 716-724) that this is only
        referring to remembering what Christ's death did in bring
        about the change of the covenant aeons and that it is now
        a "fulfilled memorial" for us today. Who would ever get
        this understanding from this passage or any other
        passage? Jesus said it would be for a remembrance of Him
        and His death.When or how does He ever change this even
        slightly? 
   13) Matt 26:29 -- Kingdom of God Is, therefore,
        in existence in Acts 2:42; 20:7; 1 Cor. 11, not after
        A.D. 70. King just assumes this is in reference to the
        Lord's Supper after A.D. 70. 

   E) Unanswered Questions 
   1) Is this doctrine a matter of opinion or faith? 
   2) Is A.D. 70 more important than the cross? Pentecost? 
   3) Are we in a perpetual "eternal days" of struggle 
   between sin and righteousness? 
   4) Can we truly understand and defend a
     literal resurrection of Jesus' physical body in light of
     this doctrine's teaching about resurrection:, 
   5) Was no post-A.D. 70 sermon or book by an apostle 
   inspired since spiritual gifts were supposed to end in 
   A.D. 70? 
   6) How far will they go in forcing this interpretation 
   on other practices of Christians today such as the 
   Lord's Supper, elders, baptism, etc.? 
   7) Where does evil originate if Satan is already consigned 
   to the lake of fire (SP, p. 356)? 
   
   CONCLUSION What are we to say concerning this
        doctrine? 
        1) "Highly questionable and speculative view"
        (Williams, op. cit. p. 238). 
        2) "It is not a harmless, private conviction 
        which can be held without hurting oneself and others, 
        but a pernicious theory of error which engulfs 
        the soul of men in destructive heresy!"
        (Joe Price, "The Second Coming of Christ: Did it Already
        Occur'! (3)," Guardian of Truth. November 2, 1989, p.
        650). 
        3) I heartily agree! We must oppose this doctrine
        as false and damning to men's souls. It is complete
        mistreatment of God's holy word and the promises we are
        to take hope in. The following statement about King and
        his doctrine sums it up well: 
        4) "He then sets out to
        boldly force literal passages into his own mold.of
        spiritualizing, and dares call one 'fleshly' if he does
        not agree with him. He switches terms and plays with
        English words, and employs his sophistry in the most
        subtle of ways. He adds a word or phrase, or otherwise
        makes some small change, to misrepresent his opponent. He
        quotes only part of an authority which would appear to
        agree with his position, and thus leaves wrong
        impressions. He has built up his own peculiar lingo to
        support his doctrine. He ignores contexts wholesale, and
        presses them into his service. His book is difficult to
        read and monotonously repetitious. Paragraph after
        paragraph is but a conglomeration ofjumbled and unrelated
        references which he has arbitrarily applied to fit his
        doctrine. No one, without King's help, would ever have
        guessed that inspired writers were trying to get such a
        message across!" (Bill Reeves, "The Preterist View
        Heresy," Truth Magazine, February 2, 1973, p. 249).

         
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Response to the Above:

From copeland@magicnet.netSat Apr 13 12:51:28 1996 Date: Sat, 13
Apr 1996 08:07:05 -0500 From: "Mark A. Copeland"
 Reply to: markslist@jackson.freenet.org
To: Multiple recipients of list 
Subject: Re: 70 A.D. Doctrine reviewed by Marc Gibson

Mark Copeland here...

On 12 Apr 96 at 16:43, Tim McPherson wrote:

> THE A.D. 70 DOCTRINE EXAMINED >                by Marc W,
Gibson

Dear Tim,

Thank you for sharing the material referenced above by Marc
Gibson.  I believe it serves as a good introduction into this
issue which I believe has damnable consequences.

Yes, the word "damnable" is strong, but I have seen its effects
in the lives of individuals and congregations.  A young preacher
who got his start working along me (he came before Steve Rudd)
followed this teaching to its logical conclusion, and eventually
lost his faith in the Bible and the Lord Jesus altogether.

But even if one maintains his "faith" while holding to this
doctrine, I still believe his soul will be lost.  Why?  Because
he has denied the one "hope" (Ep 4:4), which clearly includes the
literal resurrection of the body from the dead (cf. Ac 23:6;
24:15; 26:6-8; Ro 8:23-24).  To deny the one "hope", or to
substantively change its meaning, is as damnable to one's soul as
to change the one "baptism", the one "Lord", or the one "God".
Since the consequence of the doctrine so seriously disrupts the
"unity of the Spirit" (Ep 4:3-6), I do not know how fellowship
can be maintained with those who espouse this doctrine, just as I
cannot have fellowship with those who teach a different
"baptism", "Lord", etc.

But the real reason for writing is to offer a suggestion on how
to refer to the doctrine.  Marc Gibson in his introduction listed
different names by which it has been come to be called:

> I) NAMES/TERMS GIVEN TO THIS DOCTRINE >   A) A.D. 70 Doctrine >
B) Realized Eschatology (doctrine of completed last things) >
C) Fulfilled Eschatology >   D) Covenant Eschatology >   E)
Preterist  (past) >   Fl Kingism    (The Max King Doctrine)

Of the five above, I believe either "realized eschatology" or
"fulfilled eschatalogy" are the ones most descriptive and lest
likely to impugn innocent brethren.

Many people not familiar with the issue are likely to confuse
"A.D. 70 Doctrine" or "preterist" with those brethren who simply
hold to the view that Revelation was written in A.D. 70.  The
term "Kingism" smacks of "Campbellism" and I know how we all feel
when people through that one at us. I've never heard of "covenant
eschatology", so I don't know if it can possibly be confused with
some other teaching that is not the same.

Finally, for the benefit of others on ML, just a thought on how
best to approach this issue.  In my limited efforts to study with
others who subscribe to the doctrine of "realized eschatology"
(which includes not only the preacher referenced to above, but
some members of the Presbyterian Reformed church who were well
versed in the doctrine), I have focused on the Biblical teaching
of the resurrection of the body. Including the passages mentioned
above, I emphasize 1 Corinthians 15, where I believe the doctrine
of "realized eschatology" is most weak in its efforts to explain
the Scriptures.

I also depend heavily on the Book of Revelation.  Subscribing to
the early date (A.D. 70) myself, this puts me one up on those who
hold a later date that have to deal with this issue.  I try to
illustrate how all of the events "realized eschatology" purports
to have occured in A.D. 70 could not have occurred at one time.
Events that supposedly occurred in A.D. 70 are separated in the
Book of Revelation by other events occuring over long periods of
time, and to propose that all these events happened in one event
is ludicrous to any who come to the book with an open mind.

That leads to a final point.  I have found that it is almost
impossible to make any headway with someone who is strongly
enamoured with this doctrine.  The reason pertains to how one
studys the Bible and treats the Biblical evidence.  I see a great
similarity in how the Bible is handled with those who are JW's.
Presuppositions, limiting definitions, ignoring context, etc.,
all making it difficult to reason together.

Unfortunately, it is an approach to the Scriptures that is
endemic among faithful brethren, which is one reason why the
"realized eschatology" has appealed to so many.  I call this
approach "concordance theology" with a degree of "reactionary
theology" thrown in.  Allow me to define my terms...

CONCORDANCE THEOLOGY:

This is where one lists all the Scriptures that use a particular
term or phrase and draw conclusions based upon the presumption
that the term or phrase means the same thing in every text. This
is a mistake the JW's make with their use of "soul" and "spirit",
and I have seen brethren make the same mistake with the
expression "eternal life" and other terms. "Realized eschatology"
make the same mistake with expressions like "the day of the
Lord", or the "coming of the Lord".

I propose the Scriptures should be studied the way they were
written. Verse by verse, chapter by chapter, etc., with an
awareness that in most cases the original readers were expected
to understand the writer without the benefit of other epistles or
books that had not been written or generally available at the
time.  Therefore the answer to most questions about a troublesome
verse are likely to be found in the context of the verse or book
itself.  Certainly there are exceptions to this rule, but we must
be careful not to apply a Bible author's use of a phrase or word
in one context to determine what he or someone else might mean in
a totally different context (whether in the book itself, or in a
totally different book).

REACTIONARY THEOLOGY:

This is where one studies the Scriptures, not so much to learn
what it says, but to prove that what others teach can't be true.
The danger is that we are likely to accept any argument that
seems to support our position, and indeed we may even go looking
for arguments to support our cause.

When brethren begin to say their position is right because it
makes one better able to defeat the denominationalists, that
tells me "reactionary theology" has been taking place.
Personally, I try to study the Bible to find out what God wants
me to do, not to prove someone else wrong.

I view "realized eschatology" as an over-zealous reaction to
pre-millenialism.  But because brethren often engage in a
"reactionary approach" to the Scriptures (i.e., studying to prove
the others wrong rather than studying to find out what I am to
do), they are very susceptible to those doctrines whose appeal is
how effective they appear to dealing with other forms of error.

Enough for now.  May you and all on ML have a wonderful Lord's
Day tomorrow...

Brotherly,

Mark (eagerly awaiting the redemption of his body - Ro 8:23-24)
Mark A. Copeland 1537 E. Jason Street
Kissimmee, FL   34744-4048
(407) 931-1725
copeland@magicnet.net

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